From 0% to 36% on Day 1 of ARC-AGI-3

(symbolica.ai)

43 points | by lairv 2 hours ago

4 comments

  • lairv 2 hours ago
    Note that this uses a harness so it doesn't qualify for the official ARC-AGI-3 leaderboard

    According to the authors the harness isn't ARC-AGI specific though https://x.com/agenticasdk/status/2037335806264971461

    • krackers 1 hour ago
      > this uses a harness

      This seems like an arbitrary restriction. Tool-use requires a harness, and their whitepaper never defines exactly what counts as valid.

    • osti 43 minutes ago
      Doesn't the chat version of chatgpt or gemini also have interleaved tool calls, so do those also count as with harnesses?
    • falcor84 2 hours ago
      I for one think that harness development is perhaps the most interesting part at the moment and would love to have an alternative leaderboard with harnesses.
      • steve_adams_86 39 minutes ago
        I'm so into harness development right now. Once it clicked that harnesses can bring more safety and determinism to LLMs, I started to wonder where I'd need that and why (vs MCP or just throwing Claude Code at everything), and my brain gears have been turning endlessly since then. I'd love to see more of what people do with them. My use cases are admittedly lame and boring, but it's such a fun paradigm to think and develop around.
      • sanxiyn 2 hours ago
        There is. Official leaderboard is without harness, and community leaderboard is with harness. Read ARC-AGI-3 Technical Paper for details.
        • falcor84 2 hours ago
          I went through the technical paper again, and while they explain why they decided against the harness, I disagree with them - my take is that if harnesses are overfitting, then they should be penalized on the hidden test set.

          Anyway, searching both in ARC-AGI's paper and website and directly on kaggle, I failed to find a with-harness leaderboard; can you please give the link?

  • modeless 43 minutes ago
    On the public set of 25 problems. These are intended for development and testing, not evaluation. There are 110 private problems for actual evaluation purposes, and the ARC-AGI-3 paper says "the public set is materially easier than the private set".
    • SchemaLoad 41 minutes ago
      Benchmarks on public tests are too easy to game. The model owners can just incorporate the answers in to the dataset. Only the private problems actually matter.
      • sanxiyn 38 minutes ago
        In this case the code is public and you can see they are not cheating in that sense.
        • Davidzheng 7 minutes ago
          I agree it's not cheating that restricted sense. But I'm not really convinced that it can't be cheating in a more general sense. You can try like 10^10 variations of harnesses and select the one that performs best. And probably if you then look at it, it will not look like it's necessarily cheating. But you have biased the estimator by selecting the harness according to the value.
        • SchemaLoad 34 minutes ago
          Once the model has seen the questions and answers in the training stage, the questions are worthless. Only a test using previously unseen questions has merit.
          • lambda 29 minutes ago
            They aren't training new models for this. This is an agent harness for Opus 4.6.
            • measurablefunc 16 minutes ago
              All traffic is monitored, all signal sources are eventually incorporated into the training set in one way or another. The person you're responding to is correct, even a single API call to any AI provider is sufficient to discount future results from the same provider.
              • stale2002 4 minutes ago
                ok! So if someone uses an existing, checkpointed, open source model then the answer is yes the results are valid and it doesn't matter that the tests are public.
  • esafak 2 hours ago
    Anybody used this Agentica of theirs?
  • AbanoubRodolf 56 minutes ago
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