6 comments

  • dgellow 1 hour ago
    The world is so not ready for the impact of LLMs on security issues. If true, congrats to the Calif team. It’s likely too technical for me to understand in details but looking forward to reading the 55 pages report
    • iqihs 1 hour ago
      you're assuming that blue teams and engineers are sitting around twiddling their thumbs
      • nvr219 24 minutes ago
        Most companies in the world do not have “blue teams”. They barely have any kind of security employee.
      • dgellow 1 hour ago
        Not at all. I’m considering that the amount of vulnerable software in the wild is very, very large, with most organizations not managing their systems properly. Imagine all the small to medium size companies that do not have budgets for a dedicated, talented security team. And all the software that will never be patched. We are at the beginning of the exponential
  • vsgherzi 4 hours ago
    unfortunately a little light on the details. I'm very curious how the bug survived through MTE
    • vsgherzi 3 hours ago
      Upon further reading on data only attacks

      (https://www.usenix.org/publications/loginonline/data-only-at...)

      This makes more sense. You don't trigger MTE since you're not doing anything for force MTE to take action the program isn't actually changing.

      My other question would be, why didn't apple use fbounds checking here? They've been doing it aggressively everywhere else.

      MTE plus fbounds checking everywhere should lead to an extremly hardened OS

      • pjmlp 3 hours ago
        Quite strange indeed, given that was one of the main points on their security conference a few months ago.
        • vsgherzi 2 hours ago
          I can only imagine that

          1. it’s to performance sensitive

          Or

          2. The os is so darn large it’s hard to recompile everything

    • traceroute66 45 minutes ago
      > I'm very curious how the bug survived through MTE

      Its not the first time bugs get past MTE, happened with Google Pixel last year ... https://github.blog/security/vulnerability-research/bypassin...

    • landr0id 3 hours ago
      GPU memory/shaders/etc. isn't protected by MTE or PAC. They said "data-only", so I guess GPU commands could fit into this description.
      • LoganDark 2 hours ago
        IIRC, the GPU is behind a memory controller, so I doubt corrupting GPU memory alone could lead to an LPE. But I suppose it would give you someplace to store stuff if you can make something else read from it.
    • dorianmariecom 4 hours ago
      Memory Tagging Extension

      Arm published the Memory Tagging Extension (MTE) specification in 2019 as a tool for hardware to help find memory corruption bugs. MTE is a memory tagging and tag-checking system, where every memory allocation is tagged with a secret. The hardware guarantees that later requests to access memory are granted only if the request contains the correct secret. If the secrets don’t match, the app crashes, and the event is logged. This allows developers to identify memory corruption bugs immediately as they occur.

      https://support.apple.com/guide/security/operating-system-in...

  • yieldcrv 2 hours ago
    from what they demonstrated, this seems to only be a $100,000 exploit in Apple's bug bounty platform, but if they package it right, it could be a $1.5 million exploit

    They simply have to show it against a beta version of MacOS, and frame it as unauthorized access, and maybe from locked mode if possible

    • vsgherzi 1 hour ago
      This is an lpe I believe what you’re describing is a zero click rce.
      • yieldcrv 1 hour ago
        how much do you think it is worth in the bug bounty program
        • vsgherzi 1 hour ago
          They don’t seem to state lpe as one of the bugs. Maybe 100k? There’s alot of factors that go into it so I’m really not able to say. I could see it going for lots more or lots less
  • AgentME 3 hours ago
    First Mozilla, now even Apple is making up fake vulnerabilities to hype up Mythos. /sarcasm
  • commandersaki 2 hours ago
    I bought the M5 specifically cause of MIE. Now I feel dumb.
    • vsgherzi 1 hour ago
      You shouldn’t, MTE blocks a large chunk of vulnerabilities and makes things like rop and jop very difficult if not impossible now.
  • bredren 3 hours ago
    Did the article get edited? There is not much description of the field trip.