Bomb Fishing Is Wreaking Havoc on Indonesia's Coral Reefs

(e360.yale.edu)

60 points | by speckx 1 hour ago

7 comments

  • wlaw15 47 minutes ago
    Sometimes you learn of an unintended consequence of seemingly good idea wreaking havoc on an ecosystem. I would not put fishing with "plastic bottles filled with explosives" into that category.
    • cute_boi 22 minutes ago
      Otherwise how would people have cheap fish? All these abuses, useless subsidies and exploitation is the reason why meat and fish are cheap.
      • throwaway2037 1 minute ago

            > Otherwise how would people have cheap fish?
        
        I will offer a counterpoint. Japan has extensive fishing within its territorial waters (economic exclusive zone). It has some of the most productive fishing in the world, in part, thanks to the Kuroshio current. Japan does not need to use dynamite fishing, and yet, raw fish prices are incredibly cheap in Japan for a huge variety of fish. Their prices are much cheaper than other highly industrialised nations.
      • kubb 19 minutes ago
        Cast a net or eat tempeh. It being convenient doesn’t mean it’s the only way to do it.
  • boringg 22 minutes ago
    File this under the category "people are f-bomb-ing idiots".

    I wouldn't be surprised if social media was spreading this technique as successful way to fish.

    • dmkolobov 13 minutes ago
      My first encounter with the concept of bomb fishing was the Shapoklyak episode of the soviet cartoon Cheburashka, produced in the 70s. It's been around.
      • mc32 8 minutes ago
        Yeah it’s been around for a while but it’s been at the individual level not at the commercial scale which makes the practice way worse.
    • Palomides 2 minutes ago
      you can say fuck on the internet
  • pranav_tech26 4 minutes ago
    Low-cost acoustic sensors paired with community reporting usually beat complex tech solutions when enforcing marine boundaries in remote areas.
  • pingou 47 minutes ago
    "With a bomb dropped once every 62 minutes, the equivalent of three football fields of reef are destroyed each year, according to Williams."

    That doesn't sound right.

    • ryandrake 7 minutes ago
      I love the American measurement units. How many bald eagles of explosives are needed to destroy three football fields worth of reef?
    • cannonpr 31 minutes ago
      You’d be surprised how vulnerable aquatic organisms are, and how far energy travels in water after an explosion…
      • franciscop 25 minutes ago
        I think the point is the opposite, I also expected a lot more damage from a bomb every hour
        • AlwaysRock 14 minutes ago
          I'd suspect that the goal isn't to destroy coral reefs and the damage is "accidental." And/or the reefs are already largely fucked, so additional damage is "minimal."
      • chinathrow 26 minutes ago
        I would assume the area was larger than reported. I mean that's 24*365 bombs per year.
    • deadbunny 44 minutes ago
      I'd assume the deployment isn't always over reefs?
  • epolanski 50 minutes ago
    We truly deserve to get extinct. There's nothing but selfishness and greed from Wall Street to San Francisco to the Indonesian fisheries and Indian farms.
    • quietsignal 31 minutes ago
      Note that the selfishness of the farmer or fisherman may in certain light differ from the greed of the capitalist, if one’s family endurance depends on it.
      • TSiege 23 minutes ago
        If you read the article it’s pretty clear this is greed and short sighted thinking

        > While understudied, the incentives for the use of dangerous dynamite fishing are often falsely attributed solely to poverty and desperation. The cost barrier to buying boats, bombs, and detonators means it’s more likely a practice for middle-income fishers, according to experts.

        “A combination of factors drives blast fishing, including ineffective enforcement and management,” said Hampton-Smith, highlighting how indiscriminate the explosions are, killing all manner of species, regardless of age, size, or intent.

      • epolanski 26 minutes ago
        Those are nothing but excuses.

        Destroying habitats and the future of fellow fishermen for short-term gain is just selfishness and greed.

        Desperation is no excuse.

        • TSiege 19 minutes ago
          To those replying that it’s feeding starving children read the article. The equipment to do this isn’t accessible to poor fishermen. From the article, “While understudied, the incentives for the use of dangerous dynamite fishing are often falsely attributed solely to poverty and desperation. The cost barrier to buying boats, bombs, and detonators means it’s more likely a practice for middle-income fishers, according to experts.”

          I’d argue this practice hurts poor fisherman more than helps as coral reefs are important nurseries for fish and reliable sources as well. Blowing them up will rob communities of shallow fishing grounds and future fish

        • eloisius 23 minutes ago
          Easy to say when it’s not your child facing starvation. The long term doesn’t matter if your family isn’t going to make it another month.
          • Avicebron 14 minutes ago
            RTFA, they say they it's not poverty, the explosives and boats involved mean that it's not the desperate doing this. It's greed, the sooner we can be less paternalistic about this kind of stuff the sooner we can start addressing these kind of problems. It's like India or china being major polluters, they need to be held accountable just like the west holds/held itself accountable.
        • horacemorace 24 minutes ago
          Say that again when your children are starving.
      • parineum 19 minutes ago
        Anything beyond ascetic maximalism will be cast as greed to the naturists and malthusians.

        There's always someone out there who is going to make the argument.

    • voakbasda 49 minutes ago
      Amen. Humanity had its chance. We have blown it. Let the cockroaches get their turn.
      • 21asdffdsa12 29 minutes ago
        Ahistoric defeatism. Embraces our nature, instead of fleeing for the hills of utopism. Learn to steer it, change it. We accomplished wonders- humanity is calm and peaceful compared to what it once was.

        The gaming industry and cellphones alone have pacified a species whose footprint is ever shrinking. Literal monks with hypnotic glowing stones, this whole industry is a miracle and has given nature a breather it would not have had without it.

      • karim79 46 minutes ago
        Let's not forget the scorpions. They also deserve a turn.
  • bcjdjsndon 57 minutes ago
    Send them some subsidies from those large American coffers then, and they won't need to
    • paimapi 35 minutes ago
      blunt comment but not technically wrong - it's likely poverty and subsistence living that's driving adoption of this 'technique' and much of that originates from a combination of the colonial carve up of Indonesia [0] in combination with the weak and easily exploited position of the country within globalized economic markets [1]

      [0] https://law.wm.edu/academics/intellectuallife/researchcenter...

      >Centuries of Dutch control produced an ethnic and economic caste system familiar to many colonized peoples. Compared to some imperial powers, Dutch policy was less focused on “Dutchifying” the indigenous population, with most attention paid to resource extraction and maritime strategic advantage.

      [1] https://archive.org/details/ahmad-nashih-luthfi-muhammad-fau...

      >The short cut to development that the New Order took was highly depending on foreign loans. Consequently, development models were very much shaped by the foreign institutions that became the source of finance for Indonesia. At the end of the 1980s for instance, the World Bank forced for the project for the construction of Kedung Ombo Dam [...] The construction of the Dam had caused thousands of people and tens of villages to be evicted and involuntarily resettled. The Dam became the symbol of prestige for the New Order. When the New Order regime collapsed, the dam was abandoned and gradually left to dry.

      • Poacher5 31 minutes ago
        That's addressed in the article? The claim made is that this is more a way of middle-income market-trading fishermen increasing their catch and profit. Those at the bottom can't afford the necessary explosives.
        • paimapi 22 minutes ago
          that's an uncited claim framed as a guess, not confirmation or even a more educated guess by people performing actual ethnographies and larger demographic analysis. pair it against both the fact that these bombs are easy to make (plastic bottle + explosive) and the stronger kinship ties of families and villages, it's not impossible to imagine groups pooling money to purchase fertilizer on the gray market

          you'd have to imagine that higher earners would easily be able to navigate out to deeper waters with better boats whereas lower income would stay in shallower waters which is noted as largely where this is happening

        • mushi_shi 30 minutes ago
          Yeah, why go through all of the effort to blame this on colonialism? Maybe these people just suck and don't care/don't know any better. We can't make everything a problem of colonialism.
      • joshuaissac 23 minutes ago
        > it's likely poverty and subsistence living that's driving adoption of this 'technique'

        From the article:

        > While understudied, the incentives for the use of dangerous dynamite fishing are often falsely attributed solely to poverty and desperation.

        > The cost barrier to buying boats, bombs, and detonators means it’s more likely a practice for middle-income fishers, according to experts.

        • parineum 12 minutes ago
          How big of a boat do you think you need to scoop up some fish?

          None of those things cost a lot of money and the return on investment for just affording a single bomb pays for itself almost immediately.

        • paimapi 21 minutes ago
          [dead]
  • heyitsmedotjayb 37 minutes ago
    I bet many of the people here moaning and whinging eat fish themselves!
    • kubb 32 minutes ago
      I bet almost nobody here eats bombfished fish. <0.1%
      • spindump8930 12 minutes ago
        > While fishers predominantly use the method to catch fish for sale at local markets — identifiable by their ruptured internal organs and burst swim bladders

        The article agrees, assuming "here" is global north tech workers.

      • heyitsmedotjayb 28 minutes ago
        No fishers, no food.
        • kubb 22 minutes ago
          Incoherent, broken logic.
        • everdrive 23 minutes ago
          No bombs, no fishers.