TSMC revealing details about next gen A14 node

(iedm26.mapyourshow.com)

71 points | by osnium123 2 days ago

10 comments

  • aurareturn 1 day ago
    Chip density increase is slowing down. Since N10, density scaling has been 60-80%. N3 to N2 is only 20%. And now N2 to A14 is also only 20%.
    • chorsestudios 1 hour ago
      Yes but considering N10 was fabricated with DUV lithography right before the shift to EUV I'm not sure how fair that comparison is. That being said the density scaling of N10 nodes compared to predecessors using the same lithography technique was much higher than we have seen since with the EUV nodes. Density scaling is the most meaningful comparison metric, but it doesn't take into account additional technology developments.
    • davnicwil 1 hour ago
      20% growth then 20% again still seems pretty good to me though. I guess compounded that is a 44% increase N3 to A14 which also starts to look much better if you zoom out a bit. I mean 44% more density since a few years ago seems, if not massive, not insignificant, like you will definitely notice it.
    • kvemkon 1 hour ago
      Between N2 and A14 should sit A16.
    • osnium123 1 day ago
      Is the increase in wafer cost higher than the density increase? If so, that means that the cost per transistor is also going up.
      • aurareturn 1 day ago
        It's hard to tell because AI has pushed up costs. IE. Chip fab margins are increasing.

        But generally, I think it's even or increasing $/transistor for each node. I'd guess that A14 would have been 20% more expensive than N2 regardless or AI or not.

        It probably is still worth it because you're also getting 20-30% better power efficiency - which is a big deal for data center chips.

    • georgeburdell 1 day ago
      A lot of that is the lack of SRAM scaling. There’s still quite a bit of improvements in the back end (metal traces). That aside, if foundries adopted say a 1T-1C SRAM we’d see a pretty rapid density doubling
      • smallmancontrov 3 hours ago
        Is 1T1C SRAM a technological thing or does it mean "persuade designers to use DRAM in the many cases where the retention contract could be timeboxed with a bit of extra thought and cross-team haggling"?
      • tliltocatl 2 hours ago
        > 1T-1C SRAM

        Aka eDRAM? It was a thing back on 14nm node, but AFAIR not so much anymore. The 1C part is hard to get right in a way that is compatible with a logic process.

        • to11mtm 25 minutes ago
          It gets confusing...

          eDRAM isn't the same as 1T-SRAM, which isn't quite the same as 1T-1C SRAM...

          But overall they run into the same problems that you mention; it's just too hard to get a capacitor in play.

          There is Zeno Semi's Bi-SRAM, buuuut it hasn't seemed to catch on for one reason or another.

      • the8472 2 hours ago
        MRAM is 1T, non-volatile and supposedly has nanosecond-scale write times so it naively seems like it'd be an ideal SRAM replacement. But I guess shrinking MTJ is more difficult than other components or there are some other limitations.
  • moeadham 40 minutes ago
    I can’t believe we’re talking Angstroms already.
  • JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago
    TSMC: https://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/log...

    Not sure what this source is, but it looks sketchy.

    • dgfl 2 hours ago
      IEDM is more or less the most prestigious conference on semiconductor devices. Hard to get a more reliable source than a TSCM-affiliated paper from IEDM.
    • osnium123 2 hours ago
      The source is the IEDM conference website where TSMC will be presenting the paper in Dec 2026
  • nwah1 2 days ago
    In simpler terms, the SRAM density improved by 2.9% (according to ChatGPT). Which is better than it sounds, because SRAM had reached a wall, in terms of density gains, and, chips can be dominated by SRAM in terms of surface area, so this can mean a lot more room for logic, even though that is also getting considerably denser.
    • anamax 1 day ago
      There's some hope of smaller SRAM in the future - https://raaam-tech.com/technology/ is a three-transistor SRAM.
      • randomblock1 3 hours ago
        It's not quite SRAM, it needs to be refreshed like DRAM. That's the main downside compared to SRAM but it's still very interesting.
        • choilive 2 hours ago
          Yes, the density vs power tradeoff could make a lot of sense in a few applications.
          • kvemkon 23 minutes ago
            They claim win + win*10:

            > provides up-to 50% area reduction and reduced power consumption by a factor ten

          • MBCook 2 hours ago
            I wonder if it would start to make sense for SRAM caches to shrink (or not grow as fast) in favor of adding on chip DRAM cache at some tier.
  • ginko 3 hours ago
    Come on we're in the 21st century, UTF-8 is pervasive. Just call it "Å14" node.
    • celsoazevedo 2 hours ago
      I don't think it's a UTF-8 problem. It's just that most people don't have "Å" on their keyboard.
      • fastball 53 minutes ago
        On mac this is just Opt + A
      • agumonkey 1 hour ago
        tips in linux, remap altgr to compose and enjoy glyphs
    • fooker 1 hour ago
      What's □14 node?
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