A third way of using Linux

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22 points | by speckx 2 hours ago

13 comments

  • Martin_Silenus 3 minutes ago
    As far as I remember, when I wrote my email reader/writer in C, ncurses was not even a thing, so I made my own windows and dialogs in text mode with VT-something codes or something like that. That was not on Linux, but on DOS at the time, but anyway. I did not wait for graphical stuff to be common.

    I used my software for months to read and write mails, interact in mailing lists, newsgroups, etc.

    Funny thing is when a sysop sent me a mail once: basically, he said to me that one of the machines he had the responsibility of back then warned him about a non-conform header. He asked me the name of the email software I was using to report the bug to the author. I thanked him for my first report ever, for his diligency, etc. and of course, I fixed it promptly ;)

  • BeetleB 24 minutes ago
    The article has it backwards: GUIs are the third way of using Linux. TUIs are the 2nd way. I mean, stuff like pico, nano, vi, Emacs - these are all TUIs.

    Perhaps it's because I grew up on DOS that I think that way, but one of the reasons I switched from Windows to Linux decades ago was to use TUIs.

  • __MatrixMan__ 1 hour ago
    I stick to CLI's and TUI's and use zellij as my window manager. This way the configs and muscle memory I develop on my work macbook are transferrable to the linux box I use for personal projects, and visa versa.

    It seemed a bit limiting at first, but after adapting to it I feel like it was the right move. GUI's represent a sort of explosion in the set of valid states for software to be in, and I find that software which opts out of trying to support that explosion tends to work better, likely because the maintainer just has less to worry about.

    • snapplebobapple 27 minutes ago
      Try herdr. I ama tmux then zellij switcher and love it once you minimize the ai crap
      • wilkystyle 17 minutes ago
        Any particular reason to try herdr?
  • neomantra 28 minutes ago
    I'm exploring aspects of these "other ways". I've been pushing Kitty terminal graphics compositing and then layering libraries over that. I've also been working on remoting Golang programs over the network as well as compiling them to WASM and embedding that in browsers. This WebGPU browser shader is an example of that mashed together [1]. Same code for native and browser.

    Shout out to TUIOS [2] that is in the article; author has a lot of neat libraries and his `sip` protocol is the basis of that remoting work.

    [1] https://nimblemarkets.github.io/ntcharts/demos/shaders/

    [2] https://github.com/Gaurav-Gosain/tuios

  • floathub 1 hour ago
    Emacs text interface, Emacs GUI interface, and ... sorry what's the third one? :-)
    • drums8787 37 minutes ago
      The only one that matters, Emacs in evil mode.
    • BeetleB 18 minutes ago
      Emacs Window management via exwm.
    • iron-s 1 hour ago
      ghostty running ssh w/ emacsclient connected to emacs daemon running ghostel
    • cowlevel 44 minutes ago
      Emacs in ed mode, but you list them in the opposite order from the article.
    • fellowniusmonk 49 minutes ago
      why would one use the madness of adhoc tuis instead of emacs, I'll never know.
  • skybrian 50 minutes ago
    Other ways I often use:

    - Using a web browser to connect to a web app running in a Linux VM. I write all my custom tools that way.

    - Using VS Code to connect remotely, using ssh

  • spottedmarley 1 hour ago
    I was hoping the third way would be somehow related to a type of hands-free neuralink so I can code at the speed of thought with my eyes closed laying in bed. Someday the tech will exist but, by then I'm not sure coding will be a thing to do anymore. I'll probably still do it anyway though.
  • allanrbo 1 hour ago
    Like the days of Norton Commander
    • SA9G 5 minutes ago
      Or Z-19 terminals... green screen, 80 char lines of text. Lightning fast 1200 baud modem!! Those were the days :-)
  • cowlevel 45 minutes ago
    > What gives you the benefit of a visual interface, without the bloat that comes with Wayland or X11?

    fbdev?

  • GianFabien 1 hour ago
    Early Reuters and Bloomberg terminals had a text-centric aesthetic.

    AFAIK on a PC, when booted into text-only mode, you are still using a bit-mapped framebuffer. From my experiments you can mix graphics and text.

    • cowlevel 43 minutes ago
      PC is the weird exception in having a character mode at all for compatibility reasons. every other platform does the character mapping in software.
  • horsh1 1 hour ago
    Well, if we count claude as tui.
  • hypfer 1 hour ago
    Ah yes, website talks about "the bloat of x11 and Wayland", and doesn't even scroll correctly on Firefox mobile likely due to some JavaScript fuckery.

    Practice what you preach. And practice first.

    • seba_dos1 1 hour ago
      Not JavaScript in this case, just CSS bloat (backdrop-filter).
      • PhilipRoman 11 minutes ago
        another comment on a different HN thread pointed out a similar issue. Now I'm wondering if backdrop-filter can be used correctly at all or should just be avoided entirely
    • black_knight 48 minutes ago
      I guess the site scrolls smoothly in a TUI browser?
      • metalman 39 minutes ago
        which, wierdly enough I am useing, and the site scrolls just fine,my browswr has NO java script, No Dom storage, no images/video displayed though there are a few websites that have some kind of alternate way to display images in short video loops that auto play

        edit:videos are mp4's

    • dormo 1 hour ago
      Scrolling is pretty bad on Firefox desktop as well. So bad that I didn't want to finish the article.

      Why do people do this?

      • Insanity 44 minutes ago
        What do you mean by "pretty bad"? I'm on Zen (Firefox based) and the scrolling seems to work fine. But maybe it's getting resource constrained on some hardware.
      • prmoustache 45 minutes ago
        Weird. I can't reproduce the slowness you guys experience with fennec nor ironfox.
      • thereisno 1 hour ago
        They only tested in Chrome.
    • orangea 1 hour ago
      I don't see any suspicious JS on the page, so I suspect it's a styling issue triggering some inefficiency in Firefox. There are animations and text-shadows.
  • BirAdam 1 hour ago
    Isn’t that what resolution aware ttys and screen accomplish?